Friday, April 25. 2008Go Go GTK!Update: Since I've gotten a few relatively profane comments (which I've elected not to post) about blah blah pissing contest blah blah cant we all work together blah blah you are a stupid moron blah blah, please note that nowhere in this post did I mention Qt. This was not a "my widget set is better than your widget set" post. This was a "WTF, why can't I resize this box properly, and why does it end up moving up into the toolbar, how silly of it" post. If it's broken, it's broken, and since I found this to be broken in an amusing way, I thought I'd share it with others. Everyone likes to laugh, after all. So essentially: chill out.
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Hahahah, great job with the anonymity there.
Just the other day my B**dy L**t (hope that's anonymous enough) refused to resize smaller than 3/4 the width of my desktop. GTK--
Part of my frustration this morning was that I could not actually make the IM window vertically smaller. I could resize it horizontally, but it would not let me resize it vertically. So I started resizing the various parts of the chat window in case it was stuck on something, and that's what I ended up with.
(Obviously) I'm not a GNOME user but I think you should delete this entry rather than leaving it to inspire a spiral toolkit flamewar.. And I'm not a Buddhist but I know that our world is not better than theirs.
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What happened and why is it Gtk's fault?
PS:don't get me wrong, I still hate Gtk. But this post is a bit flamebait-ish and unprofessional (I can't believe I said "unprofessional").
My person favorite is when you attempt to put pidgin's chat tabs on the side of the window instead of at the top. While there is a setting for this, it must not be well tested, as the chat buttons (smiley, bold, italic, etc) overlap the chat tabs, making the entire window unusable.
This is more than just a bad layout. If you look closely you'll see some oddness with the horizontal line frame (runing through the header). The gray and black shadow are drawn under the icons and text of the header, but the white highlight is being drawn over it. How the heck do they do that?
oh, that a P****n/Gtk fault? At first I thought it was something he did to help with the anonymity.
Only the black squares were for anonymity (not for myself, for the person I was talking with). That line through the top is the glitch.
I wish KDE could come up with an IM chat program like Pidgim with the same clean, robust feel. Its one of the only remaining apps that I really do miss.
Kopete is pretty solid. It supports video chat too, which pidgin still fails to do. Whether it's clean is a matter of opinion.
GTK indeed does have issues. Pidgin's not a bad app though.
This particular bug has been "fixed" though. As in, it is no longer possible to resize the text entry area, and minimum sizes are properly set now.
Yeah, I like Pidgin. I actually use it in combination with Kopete -- when I need proxy support, which is often, Pidgin is far superior. Kopete's OTR implementation still needs some work too. In addition Pidgin supports Bonjour, which AFAIK Kopete still doesn't.
Oh yeah, did you use Krita for the black rectangles? Looks familiar =p
p.s., there's an extended preferences plugin which lets you resize to your preference. A cheap workaround, but such is life.
"This was not a "my widget set is better than your widget set" post"
so... what's with the gtk title? i'm just plain user. i'm no programmer. i know nothing about how gtk/qt stuffs. but i know only that gtk apps usually (if not all of them) use much smaller resources than qt apps. that's the only reason i choose gtk over qt whenever possible. (this part of the world, cpu/ram resources is somewhat expensive...) and qt also not very perfect. well, i should say some apps program with it instead of pointing at qt. skype for example. when we are on video conference, the bottom toolbar always disappear. as in this case (imho) you should blame on the app or the programmers, not gtk. just show the apps or better yet, report the bug.
For the love of God, read the rest of the paragraph you quoted where I point out that nowhere did I mention Qt. I was not comparing widget sets. I was pointing out funny behavior in this one.
I didn't put the blame on the app instead of gtk because I had no reason to think the behavior had anything to do with pidgin, i.e. that they were not using a fairly standard widget. I still don't know, although I'm not interested enough to find out. I was just sharing something amusing. That's all. Chill out. |
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