Thursday, August 11. 2005The direction of digital musicFor a long time now, digital music has been following a steady but sure path of making its turns into all of our lives. From the early days of Napster right up to the legal music stores of today, digital music has been allowing us to manage our media and sometimes extensive CD collections. In 1997, my 3-CD Changer for my stereo was usable, until I realised that my CD collection had increased to 4 CDs. Furthermore, I wanted to make mix cds - audio extracting and writing cds are now processes which are no more challenging than making a simple dinner. That was also around the time that winamp first appeared on desktop computers and made a substantial impact to the way we listened to our music. Once again, however, my music collection started to grow and I was forced to manage my music with playlists which I had to build myself. The progression then followed with the introduction of smart playlists, allowing for the creation of dynamically created playlists based on a certain set of criteria. Personally, I think was the point that digital music stopped being just something we listen to. With well over 300 unique albums in my collection (and this is tiny compared to others), I am finding a challenge in organising my media in a method which is effective for searching through effectively and playing the files I want to hear. At this point, music has become an asset, a piece of information which with the correct management, can tell us a lot about ourselves. More and more are we seeing applications and internet services which facilitate extracting information from our listening habits, such as Audioscrobbler/Last.fm and musicmobs. Not only is this pertinent to music, but we are finding that such expanses of data require a different method of handling. Whilst the notion of tagging files is not new, it is being used much more commonly. The new audioscrobbler service allows tagging of albums, artists and tracks to allow for more precise and effective locating of desired media. Stream audio based on recommendations based on listening habits or arbitrary tags. These sorts of functions are available everywhere: Flickr for for images and GMail with emails. Also powerful is the notion of being able to tag files based on other peoples suggestions - a collaborative effort to make a big task smaller. Perhaps we are going to see more of these services pop around soon, I think so. The question is, when does convenience, information and statistics cross the line with personal data and information? Trackbacks
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As I remarked in the metadata/track/tag thread, I would really love to have del.icio.us-style tag support in Amarok. Is this by any chance something that is being worked on already or planned for the future?
As to why I would want them, I'll quote myself: I really like making mix-cds for friends, but I have a very large (and yes, largely legal
I indeed would like the ability to use tags to describe music in amaroK. It could be similar to del.icio.us's or the more recent audioscrobbler/last.fm's tag editor, which is a little more user friendly. This would allow you to describe the mood of a track/album/artist, and several other things I had been thinking about recently but can't quite remember
Then, once you have tags built into amaroK somehow, you could use them in the filters, or when building playlists. It could also make the suggested songs more accurate because now you have more information about the song than just usage statistics related to it (what else was listened by same user), and the genre specified, which while specifying the type of music, will not relay for example, some of the instruments, the mood of the song, etc. One thing that I have always wanted is the ability to add multiple artists to a track, for collaborations. That, and something like Composer, Performer tags. This is because I either ending up putting "Artist 1, Artist 2" in the artist field, which gives me a whole new artist in the collection browser, and makes it a little harder to manage my collection. Or I put 'Feat. Artist 2' in the title, which while keeping the track inside one artist's discographie, does not allow it to show up under the second artist's discographie. Err, I kind-of ranted. Sorry.
Great that you are thinking in implementing it! I've just voted for the tags bug int the kde bug database:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89314
speaking of tagging when will the trunked none english tags bug be fixed? its in the todo for a while now
SHORT-TERM (URGENT): A whole lot (all?) of my mp3s have their titles truncated at 30-ish characters. This is almost certainly an ID3v1 vs 2 issue, v2 I think allows for unlimited length (or at least very very long), why don't we use it? (not sure whether the problem is in taglib or amarok...) just found out via leinir that this was caused by the recoding id3v1 tags option. disabling it fixed it. I think too many people are enabling this w/o knowing what it does (case in point: me). Maybe stick a warning in the options dialog, or make it not do unexpected things in the first place (eg, make id3v1 suck less, but don't make it the default).
This is a known problem. The reason is simple - MP3 sucks. Really. ID3v1 tags were 8-bit tags with limited length, and they were often saved in national encoding that was system-default. After MP3 became popular, a new standard appeared. It said that tags should be in either iso8859–1, utf16-be, utf16-le or utf8 (the encoding should be marked in the file itself). Unfortunately, most (if not all) windows programs continued to write ID3v2 tags in 8bit national encoding (marking it with iso8859-1), thus breaking standards.Taglib author made the lib according to the standard, so you can't force amarok and other taglib-based programs to use some encoding instead of the one written in the tag.
I had this problem also, and I found a sloution - I switched to OGG. OGG tags are unicode, infinite length, so no such problems could ever arise. See also http://www.id3.org/ for info on the subject. P.S. I am thinking to write a program which would convert MP3 tags from 8bit encoding to UTF8 (the user needs to say which encoding the tags are). If you have any suggestions, please write to blaster999 at gmail dot com.
i do use ogg when possible and i usually go through tags using easytag, does easytag break the tags the same way you say windows programs do?
Sorry for the late reply - my internet connection was dead. No, taglib writes correct, standard-compilant tags. Unfortunately, not all windows programs read these tags correctly. I need to research more on this matter.
I direct you to my posting on the amarok site:
http://amarok.kde.org/component/option,com_simpleboard/Itemid,57/func,view/catid,16/id,7271/#7271
That's just what I'm looking for too. The current Artist, Album, Genre tags are far too limiting. Ideallay I'd want to be able to add a large number of tags with lists of band-members, instruments, time-signatures, genre, country of origin, etc...
How else will I be able to find "All Swedish folk-rock Elvis covers in 7/8 time featuring hurdy-gurdy and cello?" (Ok, that's intentionally obscure, but you get my drift... Last.fm/Audioscrobbler is getting there, but that's where I find a different problem... Lots of people haven't cottoned on to tagging yet! |
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